I just can't stay away from Mr. Yegge's
critique of Lisp. What is it
about critiques of one's favorite language that makes one feel so
righteously indignant? Perhaps it's some primordial fear that our
favorite language will be taken away from us. Sort of like the basic
fear by aged monolingual English speakers in Miami that as Spanish
grows in visibility they will be unable to make themselves understood.
As an aging almost-monolingual English speaker, I can easily imagine
myself in their position and feel panic. The feeling that Lisp might
vanish is very similar.
Anyway, putting these feelings aside, let me address one more little
Yeggish point --
This is a problem. It's not a little teeny one, either. The Lisp
communities (yeah, there are a bunch) are going to have to realize
that if Lisp is ever going to be massively successful, it needs an
overhaul. Or maybe a revolution. Contrary to what some might tell you,
it doesn't need a committee, and it doesn't need a bunch of
money. Linux proved exactly the opposite. Lisp needs a benevolent
dictator. Lisp needs to ditch the name "Lisp", since it scares
people. And Lisp needs to learn from the lessons of the 45 years of
languages that have followed it.
At this point I begin to scratch my head. The point he started to try
to argue was that Lisp is not an acceptable Lisp. But an acceptable
Lisp would be an "overhaul" of the current language. As the
paragraphs before the one quoted show, the overhauled Lisp would not
have the "worthless spec" the current one has, it would not have CLOS,
it would not have macros, and it would have a different type system.
It would have a dictactor (its own Guido van Rossum? or Larry
Wall?). It would reflect 45 years of history somehow. And it wouldn't
be called "Lisp."
To which I respond: Would we really want a Lisp that was an
acceptable Lisp in this sense?
There is a lot I don't like about Common Lisp. None of it has much to
do with Yegge's rather general observations. The only specific point
he made that I agree with is Lisp's case-insensitivity. What were the
Common Lisp people thinking? It might have been difficult to convert
legacy code then, but it's not getting any easier, and sooner or later
Lisp will change. Franz is already agitating for "modern" mode; I've
adopted it, and I can't believe that it isn't spreading faster.
There are plenty of other flaws in CL. Brooks and Gabriel wrote
in 1984, when CL
was proposed, that
hit several nails on the head. I've posted
of essays( a NIL Considered
Considered Ugly) on my website about flaws in CL, and I wrote Nisp because I think,
contrary to the Lispish conventional wisdom, that static typing is a
But in spite of all that, Lisp embodies several good features that (a) I
like, nay, passionately love; and (b) are so essential to the
language that removing them would make it not Lisp any more:
- Programs expressed as S-expressions
- Read-eval-print loop
Let me elaborate.
S-expressions are symbols, strings, and numbers, plus lists of
S-expressions and (why not?) arrays of S-expressions. That's their
abstract syntax. Their concrete syntax is:
- Symbols, strings, and numbers What you would expect.
(e1 ... eK)
#(e1 ... eK)(Actually,
this is just the 1-dim case, but let's not worry about that.)
The thing to notice is that the abstract syntax and the concrete
syntax are essentially the same, so that S-expressions provide the
same thing XML that provides: A notion of hierarchy that is representable
before the hierarchy is classified as being an instance of this or
that particular syntactic category, data structure, or whatever.
(But S-expressions are more concise than XML, at the expense of being
less general in some ways.)
It's important that programs are S-expressions, but not just Lisp
programs. The JScheme
system, by Ken Anderson, Tim
Hickey, and Peter Norvig, is an implementation of
Scheme in Java that allows java to be called from Scheme, using what
it inventors call Javadot notation. The expression
(.field$. The expression "
new class(a" becomes
(class. a. This notation was developed prior to the addition
of generic classes and methods to Java (version 1.5). It is now
possible to write, for instance, "
(new" to make an empty list of strings.
But it's clear that augmenting the notation in an elegant way
is not going to be
difficult, because the S-expression notation allows us to capture the
hierarchical structure of the Java expression without constraining how
we do it. We might write
(List. (<> String)), or
((<> List String)). I leave it to the JScheme people to
arrive at an extended notation that actually fits their original conception.
Another example is the Common
SQL notation developed by Lispworks. When sending an
expression to the database, the expression might look like
(select [Researcher] :from. (This notation depends on hacking the syntax
of the character
'[' as well as using S-expression
notation.) In other languages you have to send SQL expressions as
(brace yourself) strings. To construct what is obviously a
hierarchical expression involving data objects, one must discard the
hierarchy and the objects, convert both to strings, and send the
result to the database, which will then invert the process, recovering
the hierarchical structure. This
expensive and error-prone process is then compensated for by the
practice of generating queries in advance and saving them on the
server side. S-expressions are an obviously better idea.
Now for macros. Let me first observe that
macros are not the only useful consequence of the fact that Lisp
programs are S-expressions. Another is
quote. It's easy
to write Lisp as a
package or class in Java, until you come to a point when you need to
(setq x 'foo). You suddenly have to allocate a new
Q_foo somewhere and bind it at
static-variable initialization time to the symbol
foo. This is a real buzz-kill.
But the existence of macros is the really good reason why programs
should be S-expressions. The debate about whether
this power is a good thing is not important. We are not debating
here. We are explaining what Lisp is. Macros are a
non-negotiable item. For one thing, if they were repealed, anyone
could reintroduce them. (All you need to do is introduce a
preprocessor before the compiler; introduce your own version of
defun' that runs the preprocessor.)
Even Scheme has macros, although they are of the "hygienic"
variety. I don't think I've ever written a hygienic macro; by chance,
all the interesting ones seem to be un-hygienic.
Nonetheless, I still have all my
fingers and toes. The desire to restrict the syntactic
transformations a macro can perform is in keeping with the general
atmosphere around Scheme, that there is one right way to do
any given thing, and until the Central Committee announces what it is, we
should avoid doing that thing. Yegge recommends that
the Lisp community elect (or suffer the ascension of) a dictator, but
anyone can decide to live under
the benevolent rule of the Revisedn Report on Scheme.
If that would make Yegge happy, then happiness awaits him any time he
wants to reach out and take it.
Finally, the read-eval-print loop. Some languages besides Lisp, or
their IDEs, approximate
it, but for various reasons they can't quite get to the right idea: a
playground where lots of pieces of code are lying around, and you can
work on whichever one catches your fancy next. It's like the shell in
Unix, except the shell is more of an oil refinery than a playground.
But once you're in Lisp, there's no reason to go back to the
shell. It's like Emacs; correction: Emacs is like it;
correction: Emacs is it, because Emacs is basically a